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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, it's the best episode in the first season (and for all I know the second season too as I've only watched one episode from it).  Also, &lt;i&gt;Torchwood&lt;/i&gt; is inexplicably popular in the States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, it&#8217;s the best episode in the first season (and for all I know the second season too as I&#8217;ve only watched one episode from it).  Also, <i>Torchwood</i> is inexplicably popular in the States</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torchwood nominated for a Hugo. The world is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torchwood nominated for a Hugo. The world is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that &lt;I&gt;Strange Horizons&lt;/I&gt; should also have got a semipro magazine nomination. (Both it and &lt;I&gt;Helix&lt;/I&gt; were on my ballot.)

The Hugo is explicitly for both SF and Fantasy, though it's probably true that the nominators in general skew a bit towards SF in their tastes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that <i>Strange Horizons</i> should also have got a semipro magazine nomination. (Both it and <i>Helix</i> were on my ballot.)</p>
<p>The Hugo is explicitly for both SF and Fantasy, though it&#8217;s probably true that the nominators in general skew a bit towards SF in their tastes.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being more interested in SF than slipstream or mundane fantasy or whatever, I will disagree, in that Helix publishes more Science Fiction than Strange Horizons does.  If you like the latter more than the former, that is fun, but it isn't particularly Hugo relevant, in general.

A pretty bizarre combo category overall though given what is in it, this year.

Neither of them are in Interzone's weight class, either, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being more interested in SF than slipstream or mundane fantasy or whatever, I will disagree, in that Helix publishes more Science Fiction than Strange Horizons does.  If you like the latter more than the former, that is fun, but it isn&#8217;t particularly Hugo relevant, in general.</p>
<p>A pretty bizarre combo category overall though given what is in it, this year.</p>
<p>Neither of them are in Interzone&#8217;s weight class, either, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue: hey! I'm a supergeek! I &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; all those publications. I am much less keen on &lt;em&gt;Helix&lt;/em&gt;, not because it's an online 'zine, but because I'm not interested in most of what it publishes. (And to be totally partisan, it is in no way better than, say, &lt;em&gt;Strange Horizons&lt;/em&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue: hey! I&#8217;m a supergeek! I <em>like</em> all those publications. I am much less keen on <em>Helix</em>, not because it&#8217;s an online &#8216;zine, but because I&#8217;m not interested in most of what it publishes. (And to be totally partisan, it is in no way better than, say, <em>Strange Horizons</em>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't find a consecutive nomination streak in Novel as long as 5 years -- I think Charlie has the record.

However, there are some impressive streaks. One problem many writers have is that they aren't quite as prolific as Charlie -- I haven't checked to be absolutely sure, but I think Lois Bujold may have had at least 5 novels in a row nominated -- but not in consecutive years. Robert Sawyer has some interesting numbers: 4 nominations in four years from 1996 through 1999 (out of 5 novels published in those years -- &lt;I&gt;Illegal Alien&lt;/I&gt; missed) -- then a skip and his next three were nominated, and now his last 2. So 9 novels in 13 years.

And how about Robert Silverberg? A nomination in 1968, then 6(!) in the four years from 1970 through 1973, then 1 more in each of 1976 and 1977, for a total of 9 novel nominations in 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find a consecutive nomination streak in Novel as long as 5 years &#8212; I think Charlie has the record.</p>
<p>However, there are some impressive streaks. One problem many writers have is that they aren&#8217;t quite as prolific as Charlie &#8212; I haven&#8217;t checked to be absolutely sure, but I think Lois Bujold may have had at least 5 novels in a row nominated &#8212; but not in consecutive years. Robert Sawyer has some interesting numbers: 4 nominations in four years from 1996 through 1999 (out of 5 novels published in those years &#8212; <i>Illegal Alien</i> missed) &#8212; then a skip and his next three were nominated, and now his last 2. So 9 novels in 13 years.</p>
<p>And how about Robert Silverberg? A nomination in 1968, then 6(!) in the four years from 1970 through 1973, then 1 more in each of 1976 and 1977, for a total of 9 novel nominations in 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of &lt;i&gt;Heroes&lt;/i&gt; Season 1 being nominated in the Long Form category, I remember that Joe Straczynski once talked about nominating a whole season of &lt;i&gt;Babylon 5&lt;/i&gt; as a complete long work on the grounds that he had written every episode of the season - probably in connection with Season 3 or Season 4.  I don't think it ever happened in the end.

(The rationale of a single author certainly doesn't apply to &lt;i&gt;Heroes&lt;/i&gt; but I'm unclear why that would have been required in any case, given that films can have multiple authors.)

It's a shame not to see &lt;i&gt;Jericho&lt;/i&gt; in there somewhere;  although its individual episodes seldom excel, taken as a whole it's quite an ambitious attempt at near-future history, especially in its second (and no doubt final) season.

As for &lt;i&gt;Torchwood&lt;/i&gt;, if any episode were going to be nominated from S1 it would have to be that one, but for me the episode fell under the heading of 'least bad' rather than being actively good.

For Short Form I'd pick one of the two &lt;i&gt;Doctor Who&lt;/i&gt; nominations, but precisely which one varies from day to day:  'Blink' is cooler;  'Human Nature' has more depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of <i>Heroes</i> Season 1 being nominated in the Long Form category, I remember that Joe Straczynski once talked about nominating a whole season of <i>Babylon 5</i> as a complete long work on the grounds that he had written every episode of the season - probably in connection with Season 3 or Season 4.  I don&#8217;t think it ever happened in the end.</p>
<p>(The rationale of a single author certainly doesn&#8217;t apply to <i>Heroes</i> but I&#8217;m unclear why that would have been required in any case, given that films can have multiple authors.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame not to see <i>Jericho</i> in there somewhere;  although its individual episodes seldom excel, taken as a whole it&#8217;s quite an ambitious attempt at near-future history, especially in its second (and no doubt final) season.</p>
<p>As for <i>Torchwood</i>, if any episode were going to be nominated from S1 it would have to be that one, but for me the episode fell under the heading of &#8216;least bad&#8217; rather than being actively good.</p>
<p>For Short Form I&#8217;d pick one of the two <i>Doctor Who</i> nominations, but precisely which one varies from day to day:  &#8216;Blink&#8217; is cooler;  &#8216;Human Nature&#8217; has more depth.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valente doesn't write science fiction, either, does she?  If you want to win a Hugo (let alone be nominated), I'd think writing something in the ancient fairy tale type mode would be rather a massive handicap, let alone fantasy in general.  Even if less so, now than it used to be.

On the female thing, Bear's Undertow, for example,  is clearly way better than Rollback (if you ever need to run for a city council or something, is Sawyer your guy? :) )  Or Kay Kenyon.  That would be the list of Hugoish looking SF written by women that is good (and I have read) that isn't fantasy, sf romance, military SF, etc.?  Stross of course is a freaky talent and has one spot personally his, too, it seems. :)  No SF novel written by a woman to match Brasyl, either.

For other categories, you have Kress again and Rusch again, and Baker - but entertaining/fun doesn't get rated as highly as has been discussed.  I liked Bear's Dragon story a lot, too, but wouldn't give it a Hugo ahead of more SF stuff.  I'd put Craters and Laws of Survival and Plotters and Shooters in ahead of some of the other things depending on category (and if it doesn't mean displacing Chiang/Egan/Shepard and maybe the Infiltrator).  Then there's Reynolds, Di Filippo, Simmons and Shepard again.

Did you read Helix, btw?  Which I thought quite good.

Why shouldn't that be good enough when you have Ansible, which is news factoids and jokes for supergeeks, and the NYRSF, which is essays etc. for supergeeks?  Then Locus which is for publishing keen supergeeks?

At least Helix has y'know, actual stories for supergeeks.  Kinda like Interzone and all.  Or are you saying because there is no dead tree version?

On short stories - lots of closet Kobold fans, are there? :)  That's a bizarre one.  Or can we have a Sawyer/Swanwick cage match? ;-)  I thought Last Contact was good, but I'd put the Wolf marginally ahead.

Jonathan, Sunshine sucked donkey ballz. :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valente doesn&#8217;t write science fiction, either, does she?  If you want to win a Hugo (let alone be nominated), I&#8217;d think writing something in the ancient fairy tale type mode would be rather a massive handicap, let alone fantasy in general.  Even if less so, now than it used to be.</p>
<p>On the female thing, Bear&#8217;s Undertow, for example,  is clearly way better than Rollback (if you ever need to run for a city council or something, is Sawyer your guy? :) )  Or Kay Kenyon.  That would be the list of Hugoish looking SF written by women that is good (and I have read) that isn&#8217;t fantasy, sf romance, military SF, etc.?  Stross of course is a freaky talent and has one spot personally his, too, it seems. :)  No SF novel written by a woman to match Brasyl, either.</p>
<p>For other categories, you have Kress again and Rusch again, and Baker - but entertaining/fun doesn&#8217;t get rated as highly as has been discussed.  I liked Bear&#8217;s Dragon story a lot, too, but wouldn&#8217;t give it a Hugo ahead of more SF stuff.  I&#8217;d put Craters and Laws of Survival and Plotters and Shooters in ahead of some of the other things depending on category (and if it doesn&#8217;t mean displacing Chiang/Egan/Shepard and maybe the Infiltrator).  Then there&#8217;s Reynolds, Di Filippo, Simmons and Shepard again.</p>
<p>Did you read Helix, btw?  Which I thought quite good.</p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t that be good enough when you have Ansible, which is news factoids and jokes for supergeeks, and the NYRSF, which is essays etc. for supergeeks?  Then Locus which is for publishing keen supergeeks?</p>
<p>At least Helix has y&#8217;know, actual stories for supergeeks.  Kinda like Interzone and all.  Or are you saying because there is no dead tree version?</p>
<p>On short stories - lots of closet Kobold fans, are there? :)  That&#8217;s a bizarre one.  Or can we have a Sawyer/Swanwick cage match? ;-)  I thought Last Contact was good, but I&#8217;d put the Wolf marginally ahead.</p>
<p>Jonathan, Sunshine sucked donkey ballz. :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I thought _Shelter_ was eligible this year?&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm, maybe I'm wrong -- I thought it was a 2006 book. *checks* OK, I'm wrong, and it should have been on the ballot.

(And of course I was not thinking about the short fiction categories, where there was loads of good work by women published.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I thought _Shelter_ was eligible this year?</i></p>
<p>Hmm, maybe I&#8217;m wrong &#8212; I thought it was a 2006 book. *checks* OK, I&#8217;m wrong, and it should have been on the ballot.</p>
<p>(And of course I was not thinking about the short fiction categories, where there was loads of good work by women published.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Nepveu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Nepveu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought _Shelter_ was eligible this year?

I'm disappointed about _The Orphan's Tales: In the Cities of Coin and Spice_, and even if it weren't considered a standalone novel, I think it's reasonable to nominate it as a stand-in for the entire work since it's finished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought _Shelter_ was eligible this year?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed about _The Orphan&#8217;s Tales: In the Cities of Coin and Spice_, and even if it weren&#8217;t considered a standalone novel, I think it&#8217;s reasonable to nominate it as a stand-in for the entire work since it&#8217;s finished.</p>
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